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Saturday, December 19, 2009

Re: [PF:148219] FW: Dismiss Gen. Kiyani to save Pakistan

look wat u r sying i agree with u wat all u demand kiyani has said, dear coas doesnot give statemnts u are asking its the govt. kiyani iz fighting talibaan atthe same time telling indian usa abt our great army strnth that they shud keep away from us . wat nato couldnot do on ground in afghanstan in 9 years usa pak has done in i year. india usa cant do this to us ,wat ur fearing,dear silence iz the answer where reqd kiyani doed spk thus conveying meaning to our enemies wat we can do. in such matters u odnt ve to b emotional or vocal. they know kiyani u can how they come running after him every now and then. if kiyani waz thier man they need not come to pak.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Angel Eyes (zi) <zrehman@olayandescon.com.pk> wrote:

No you d'nt hurt my feelings…its only a discussion…..

I don't think Gen. kiyani can solve our country problem….in this situation.

Only that general or Politician can solve who can say to America…..stop it now…we are not with you, we are neutral now. Do whatever, but don't teach us. And if you apply any war on us, we will destroy every thing in this region, don't forget we are a nuclear power.

Only that person can solve our problem who can say…we will not fight against your enemy any more…just get out from here.

Only one policy is remaining for us…Just DO or Die against the American policies.

America is not achieve his target yet in Afghanistan….after the 8  9 years…if only Taliban can fight against America and NATO…then why we cant? We are more powerful then Taliban & if we fight then Taliban will with us…. We have much power for fight….if you ask about India? Then we can say to India…if you start any war against us..we will attack with nuclear bombs…after this I am sure Indians, Americans and the whole world will listen us. Otherwise every one will say one sentence…do more….do more…

 

Don't you see we are surrendering in front of the world? Even now India also sayings…do more…what the hell is going with us?

Why Gen. Kiyani not saying SHUT UP INDIA?

Indian Army Chief said many times for war…why Gen Kiyani is Quiet?

India is stopping our Water…they build dams…our politician not successful to stop India…water is our life, why Gen. Kiyani not do some thing against it? Remember If we not die today....we will die tomorrow when we have no water.

What Gen. Kiyani is doing for us? And for Pakistan? And how can you say

as i no of him gen kyani iz the best thing which has happend to pak

and

i wish u knew grond reality how this general iz trying to take pak out of the mess

 

now I wish you knew ground reality……if any one doing war in the wrong way….

you can not say he is the best person…yes ok in northern areas Indian is involved...they are fake Taliban…and our Army is doing good job but that is not only the solution….we should do something against America…..otherwise this war in northern areas will not give us peace.

 

I have mentioned my point of view. If I am wrong then correct me….

 

 


From: karachi-786@googlegroups.com [mailto:karachi-786@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of myself tooti
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:00 PM

Subject: Re: [PF:147916] FW: Dismiss Gen. Kiyani to save Pakistan

 

i did read ur artcle, u used certain offensive words which r not  reqd its ur opinion and u ve rite to have an opinion. just imagine pak without an army, some of general in the past hav done bad, as i no of him gen kyani iz the best thing which has happend to pak, dont get carried away with the opinion of certain actors on media. i wish u knew grond reality how this general iz trying to take pak out of the mess. he iz the only good thing gen mushrf  unwittingly has done, u put across a thesis do anti thesis and then synthesize , u ll no the answer, sorry if i hurt ur feeling or opinion,however, u did mine brotherly 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Angel Eyes (zi) <zrehman@olayandescon.com.pk> wrote:

Dear bro,

 

I don't say that Gen. Kiyani is corrupt….i said IF….you must again read my email…..

 

 


From: karachi-786@googlegroups.com [mailto:karachi-786@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of myself tooti
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:36 AM

Subject: Re: [PF:147837] FW: Dismiss Gen. Kiyani to save Pakistan

 

you shit ,kyani iz saving pak. he doesnot req ur cerrtificate.he iz last hope for pak to coup current crisis. intellectually orphen like u donot like him, u dont know him.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Angel Eyes (zi) <zrehman@olayandescon.com.pk> wrote:

Assalam walykom to all,

 

UF… My God……if it is true….then it is so danger for us & Pakistan….it shows that the whole system is against the Pakistan…

Media, Politician, Army and may be judges also…..…every one is corrupt….every one is selfish….huh…

Tu bhae

Ab kis kis sy panga len? Kis kis ko dismiss Karen? Itnay baray phadday me tang arany sy behtar hy…..apni bari ka intezaar kia jaey….moat ny tu aik din ana he hy….ab jis tarha bhi ajaey…..

in sab logon ny bhi tu mar jana hy….kab tak…or kitnay dollar kha len gay yh? Akhir kaar Kabar me tu jana he hoga na (BE NAZEER ki tarha) ….so bs….hamen apni Akhrat ki tayyari krni chaeay…coz yh kaam nihayat asaan hy…bajaey is phadday me tang arany k….

 

On 12/8/09, Earth man <internationalprofessor@gmail.com> wrote:

Dismiss General Kiyani to save Pakistan

By: Earthman, International Professor

Now the time has come to kick out all leading generals involved in crimes against Pakistan and its public. The list of their crimes is very long and current wave of terrorism sponsored by imperialists' looks like last nail in the coffin of sovereignty of Pakistan, unfortunately first line of defense under command of army generals has already sold their loyalties to overseas lords. Entire bunch of Generals promoted and appointed by Musharraf must be replaced immediately than there would be any possibility for survival of Pakistan as a country; otherwise it is not too far that our country will fall into hands of invaders, God forbid.

Please don't pity on orphan like face of General Kiyani usually seen standing behind criminals like Zardari and Gaillani in media images, or posing himself as most humble servant of Zardari and Gaillani type criminals. In fact he is master mind in operating entire Government mechanism and responsible for pushing Pakistan into civil war. Not a single Corpse commander or any general sitting at GHQ has any wisdom or tenderness for peoples of Pakistan. Vicious cycle of butchery either by Americans, Pakistan army or insurgents is exclusively against peoples of Pakistan and a result of silly planning of the army generals. Whereas Gen. Kiyani is a criminal who has sold his faith for the sake of dollars, he is not capable to lead Pakistan army, and he is established agent of the CIA and co-partner of the Musharraf in his crimes against humanity.

It is very simple to judge dirty role of the Kiyani since he was head of ISI and now Chief of the army. Think who has released missing Balouch citizens a few days ago before Eid? Who is behind kidnapping of 15000 citizens that are still missing? All missing persons are in the custody of ISI since many years. Moreover who let handed over air force bases to the foreigners? Who is involved in embezzlement of the $ 16 billion US dollars? Who is operating drones from inside Pakistan? In each case army generals are directly involved in crimes.

It was Gen. Kiyani who negotiated the NRO with the criminals involved in murders, loot, plunders, terrorism and brawls. On what constitutional grounds and under which law he had the authority to discuss NRO with Benazir and Zardari type criminals. At least twenty current top generals have sold their faith to Americans for the sake of money; list of retired generals is also very long. There is no account for worth billions money received on the name of bounties after selling citizens, in whose pocket that amount has gone? Today Pakistan is burning in fire and global community is guessing either it would take shape of the Algiers or next Iraq, Lebanon or Afghanistan soon after direct intrusion of NATO inside Pakistani borders. By and large situation of Pakistan is worse than Iraq, where Pakistan army is joyfully welcoming invaders and its politicians are praying for longer stay of NATO forces in Afghanistan and GHQ is involved in drone attacks and terrorist activities.

Wide spread mutiny is a result of cruelty and barbarism that has pushed peoples to rise against army to revenge for atrocities against their love ones. There is a series of massacres and overall situation is worse than Rwanda, army and air force is jumping on civilians like mad wild animals with the help of sophisticated weapons. Ask them to show us under grounds tunnels in Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa which were linked to Waziristan, there was no underground tunnel at all. Generals are liars and corrupt and hungry of dollars, don't trust on their lies. If you may count entire number of troops killed at Swat, Waziristan or Baluchistan 99% are ethnic Pushtoon. Whereas most Generals are Punjabi, belonging to Jhelum, Gujar Khan, Chakwal and Gujrat areas, on other hand entire civilian population either murdered, kidnapped or tortured by ISI and MI is composed of Deobandi factions. It is genocide on the basis of ethnic and religious hatred, true picture of individual massacres and intensity of mass killings is in hundreds.

Wave of bomb blasts from Peshawar to Quetta is engineered by agencies under patronage of their overseas lords. Simple question is where are those suicide bombers, terrorists and foreigners captured by army and reported in the press. Not a single person has been handed over to civil administration to date or presented in the courts, there is no doubt that agencies are continuously using those so called terrorists against public of Pakistan to divide peoples, generate hate and to collect sympathies of public for camouflaging their own crimes. It is a dilemma that Pakistan is the only country where local public did not trust on its army, neither anyone is ready to believe on propaganda of army. If it is wrong, go to public and ask who is behind any terrorist activity, everyone will raise finger towards foreign agents, why? It is worst example of lack of trust on army information cell and Pakistani media. Because Pakistan army is quiet wrong in justifying war against its own peoples and it is fighting on weak footings. In principal law and order is duty of civil administration, if civilian government is not capable of politically managing the masses, so those must be removed and a chance to other politicians may be given.

From day one since the invasion of Jamia Hafsa, actions of army generals are wrong. Swat invasion was engineered by army with the collaboration of anti-Pakistan groups for sucking American dollars. TNSM never invaded on Swat or occupied Malakand Division by force, question is who brought out Chief of TNSM from the prison, who negotiated and declared their movement peaceful, chief of TNSM had been moving in official vehicles and helicopters, everything was fine but soon after angry statements of U.S. administration against Nizam e Adal, army started to funnel billions to media channels for propaganda purposes to justify invasions.

There is no doubt that current wave of terrorism against innocent peoples of Pakistani including army officials killed in bomb blasts or suicide attacks is based on incapability of army generals and entire blood of innocent peoples either killed by army or terrorism incidences lies on the shoulders of General Kiyani, Corpse commanders and officials sitting at GHQ. We have no doubt that Joint Chief, Army Chief, DG's of ISI, MI, Military Operations and IG Frontier Constabulary and corpse commander Rawalpindi, Mangla, Peshawar and secretary Defense are on pay role of CIA. Those are puppets and have no sympathies with Pakistan except making money.

If anyone wants to save Pakistan so think patiently to kick out entire mafia appointed by imperialists including Generals, Zardari and Gaillani along with their cronies. Don't trust hungry and naked journalists travelling in army helicopters and trying to misguide peoples. Mullahs are also playing dirty role as usual who have notoriety of being on pay role of the CIA. The GHQ, the President and Prime Minister Houses are main source of power for criminals and thugs. We don't know Al Kaeda is name of which animal, neither have we seen any Taliban in our entire life. But we know one thing very clear that peoples killed by Pakistan army and Americans are Pakistani citizens and the peoples killed in terrorist activities are also Pakistanis. It was absolutely not duty of Pakistan army to act on the advice of corrupt politicians, implanted by imperialists and inducted in the system along with their criminal records. It is a matter of shame for army generals in providing protection to corrupt politicians. Altaf Husain was pardoned under the NRO against 74 terrorist acts, same as Zardari, Rahman Malik, Fauzia Gaillani and Yousuf Raza Gaylani committed worst crimes in the history of Pakistan have been provided safe sanctuary.

Violence brings violence, and the role of agencies in humiliating and kidnapping of women, children and senior relatives of so called insurgents has flared up the situation, moreover killing of one person from any family means producing twenty active revenge seekers, because our culture is based on family system, and nobody cares about propaganda of army information cells or Pakistani media because majority has no access to TV channels to listen fabricated stories and so called sacrifices of army for the sake of dollars.

Moreover it was great mistake of army in creation of Brelvi Lashkars, supporting Mahdi army, exclusively killings of Deobandi factions and target killings of ethnic Pushtoon. It has divided nation forever and civil war has taken very dangerous turn, on one side uncivilized Yankees of Obama with allied Christian crusaders inching to jump on Pakistan, and on other hand every imperialist power is signing long terms defense pacts with India. Whereas Zardari an agent of CIA and MI6, true copy of Zalamy Khalilzad is conspiring against defense of Pakistan, moreover the ambassadors of Pakistan at New York, Washington and London are not only foreign citizens but agents of Anglo-Americans as well; in such circumstances future of Pakistan is very dark.

Now time has come to kick out all puppets of Anglo-Americans from the GHQ, President and Prime Minister Houses, particularly General Kiyani is incapable of leading Pakistan army. Foreign agents and terrorists who are killing peoples in the mosques, institutions and on roads are residing in safe heavens provided by Army and Air Force at their bases and the cantonments. Presence of foreigner or so called trainers at different army centers is not a secret, and on the name of intelligence sharing ISI officials are sitting not only with CIA but Khad and Raw are also their partners.

Pakistan is in wrong hands, its President, Prime Minister, Army Chief, Head of ISI and secretary Defense are on pay role of CIA and MI6 and needs an immediate kick. It is a war based on ethnic and religious hatred and engineered by black sheep in media, lesbian scholars, and prostitution and alcoholic gangs.  

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